You know the old saying, “if you can dream it, you can do it”? That is pretty much today’s guest’s motto in life. Naveen Jain is a serial entrepreneur and philanthropist who believes in living life without limits. He’s joining me today to tell you how you can start living your limitless life today.
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Naveen explores life with curiosity, imagination, and exponential innovation to defy any and all limits. He believes that every single person has the ability to create big things, go anywhere they want (yes, even the moon), and change the world. Naveen is an entrepreneur driven to solve our world’s global challenges… and he’s succeeding in a big way.
By living with an abundance mindset, Naveen knows that there is no limit to the money available in this world. He wants to create a world where disease is optional, and this has started him on a path to providing affordable health solutions for everyday people. I’ve often said that I left medical school with a degree in pimping pharmaceutical companies, and Naveen agrees, that often medical doctors can do more harm than good.
The first thing we need to know is where our chronic diseases come from. Many medical doctors don’t treat the underlying condition and reasons for our diseases but simply medicate the symptoms. Understanding what we need to know about ourselves, and what questions we need to ask, is a vital part of healing our gut.
What it comes down to, really, is eating the right foods for our bodies. And knowing that what’s right for me might not be the right food for you. Each body is different and reacts to foods in unique ways. For example, Naveen can’t eat apples, bananas, or spinach - three super healthy foods.
When you take the power of your health back into your own hands, you’re gaining the ability to change your life. You’re getting rid of any and all limitations put in place by your body and saying “yes” to becoming a healthier, happier version of yourself.
Naveen has kindly given us $200 his company, Viome’s, Gut Microbiome Testing Kit. I’d urge you to take advantage of this incredibly generous offer!
Do you feel in love with yourself? Have you ever been tested for food sensitivities? Do you know the difference between an abundance mindset and a scarcity mindset?
In This Episode:
- How we, as individuals, can change the world
- Why medical doctors can cause more harm than good
- What it means to have an abundance mindset
- What steps we need to take to become rich
- Where our chronic diseases come from
- What questions we need to ask ourselves to heal our gut
- Why eating the right food for our bodies is the most beneficial thing we can do for our health
- How to take back the power to take action over your own health
- Why you need to fall in love with yourself
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Quotes:
“When you get a chronic disease, people say that it’s bad luck. No, it’s not bad luck! It is simply the bad choices we made because we didn’t know what the good choices were.” (7:47)
“Limits exist because our imagination, and what we call reality, shows that these limits exist.” (11:31)
“We want to create a world for ourselves, our children, and our grandchildren where chronic disease is simply a matter of choice. It’s not about luck.” (24:40)
“Our goal is to simply not just to tell you what is happening in your gut, but give you the control back so it’s actionable. The only way we can solve this problem is to become the CEO of our health. To take the control back from our own body, our own health, and to realize that we have the power.” (35:20)
“Your self worth never comes from what you own. Your self worth comes from what you created.” (41:58)
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Transcript
Naveen Jain:
We are absolutely driven by our mission, our mission, and is really simple. We want to create a world for ourselves, our children and our grandchildren where chronic disease is simply a matter of choice. It's not bad luck. I hope we can someday be living in that world in our lifetime, where we will see being sick is optional. If being healthy is optional, being sick is optional.
Dr. Anna Cabeca:
Hello everyone, Dr. Anna Cabeca here with this episode of Couch Talk and today I'm really bringing a special guest from the moon, no less or more figuratively than literally but not far from it. Today we're going to really be talking about, learning how curiosity, imagination and exponential innovation are creating life without limits and I really I'm excited to bring Naveen Jain who is just a master of the [inaudible 00:01:05] master philanthroper and as well just insightful and brilliant and world-class individual. I'm going to share with you a little bit about Naveen and the reason I wanted to interview him is because he's seeing life without limits and he also sees the creativity and potential in our human existence as it is now. So, through his inspiration and his ingenuity, he's making a significant change. Naveen Jain is an entrepreneur driven to solve the global grand challenges through innovation.
Dr. Anna Cabeca:
He's the founder of several successful companies including Moon Express, Biome, Blu dot, TalentWise, Intelius and Infospace. Moon Express is the only company in the world to have the permission to leave earth's orbit and land on the moon with the goal to harvest planetary resources and to develop infrastructure to make humanity a multi-planetary society. Don't you all want to talking about this? The company also Biome is focused on disrupting health care with the goal of making illness elective by identifying microbial biomarkers that are predictive of chronic disease and to adjust the microbial imbalance through personalized nutrition. We'll be talking about this too. Now Naveen is the current director of the board at the Singularity University where he's focused on educating and inspiring leaders to address humanity's grand challenges through innovative technologies, as well as the director of the board at the XPRIZE Foundation, which recently launched a million-dollar women safety XPRIZE to empower women around the world.
Dr. Anna Cabeca:
He has received many awards and honors for his entrepreneurial successes including the Albert Einstein Technology Medal, the Humanitarian Innovation Award at the United Nations, and Distinguished Global Thinker Award. Now I'll be introducing Naveen Jain, enjoy. Welcome Naveen, great to have you here with me today. I so appreciate it, especially after all your busy travels.
Naveen Jain:
Well Anna, it's an honor to be here.
Dr. Anna Cabeca:
Well, let me tell our listeners how we met. I've already introduced you and read your very impressive bio and I know it's just even a very short brief of all the things you've accomplished and what you're setting out to do and I'm looking forward to talking about that with you today. I met Naveen... Actually, I listened to him lecture at a conference in Las Vegas, anti-aging medical conference, there and he was funny and sharp and witty and like wide open. I don't know how you're usually described but, it was amazing and I'd love for you to talk about some of the pearls that you talked about in that and then I got your book, Moon Strikes so, I'm sharing your book with my audience and I love it, there were so many jet pearls in here that we should say moon stands in here that are really treasure. Tell our audience about yourself.
Naveen Jain:
First of all, it's an honor to be talking to you. I did get the pleasure to speak with you at the conference and that was always fun. I want to focus more on what is it that each one of us can do because I want to devote the next 35, 40 minutes to the people who are giving us their time. Let's create some value for them. I hate talking about myself, but my journey has been primarily around coming from a very humble backgrounds, coming to this country with almost nothing and just appreciating the God's kindness to all the things we have achieved in our life and dedicating my life at this age to just finding a way to give back to the society and hoping that by the time my time on earth is over, I have helped hopefully hundreds of millions, if not a billion people, live a better life. And if I have achieved that, I think I would have succeeded in what I set out to do.
Dr. Anna Cabeca:
Impressive. I think that's exactly right and I love what you're implying like what can each of us do to help that? What can we each do to create this humanity, this vision for this awesome [crosstalk 00:05:23] humanity?
Naveen Jain:
Yeah. And the very interesting thing is there has never been a time in the human history where individuals and any small group of people are capable of doing things that were only could be done by aristocrats or kings and the queens and the superpowers. And now you and I can not only just dream about it, but we can also actually make it happen. You think about it, going to space, no one ever thought an individual or a private company would ever do that and you look at today, it's not the superpowers that are actually going space, exploring space, it is the entrepreneurs. Whether you look at our friend Richard or Jeff or Elon or us for that matter, we're just going out and exploring the thing that was never thought was possible to be done by a private company. In fact, we became the only private company in the universe today to be able to actually leave earth orbit and land on any celestial body.
Naveen Jain:
It's not just space. You starting to see the same planned in almost every single, what I would say, societal problems. Whether you're looking at the healthcare. The healthcare is not going to be solved by Obama Care or for that matter, Trump care or Putin care is going to be solved by an entrepreneur essentially saying, "Enough is enough, we can't allow the suffering to continue." We're not going to allow this pharmaceutical company in this healthcare complex who keep us sick anymore because they only make money when we're sick. They never make money when we're healthy and is such a bad incentive.
Naveen Jain:
When we have billions of people today suffering from chronic diseases, you call that depression or anxiety or Alzheimer's or Parkinson's or diabetes or obesity or autoimmune diseases or heart disease or cancer. These things don't happen overnight, they happen over a long period of time and when something happens over a long period of time, they're reversible, they're preventable and they're reversible. It's not something like, I say, "Last night honey, I was out with the boys and I think I might've caught diabetes." You just don't catch diabetes. My point is, these things in somehow been ingrained into us, it is our fault.
Naveen Jain:
It is bad luck. So, in a sense that when you catch a chronic disease, people say, "Oh my God, I'm so sorry, it's bad luck." No, it's not bad luck, it is simply the bad choices we made. The only reason we made bad choices because we didn't know what the right choices were. We're constantly told, just rely on your doctor to give you the advice and these are the same people when they go to the medical college, they are not even taught about nutrition, they're the same people when you tell them you might have a leaky gut, they say, "What are you smoking?" They have no concept of us as humans, as being an ecosystem. They believe there is a pill for every ill. It doesn't matter what the symptoms you have, here's a drug for it. All they have really become is simply salespeople for pharmaceutical companies because they are the ones who are funding these medical schools. To me, they're just mind-boggling.
Naveen Jain:
There are doctors with great intent to help people and when they join the medical profession they take an oath to really do no harm and then they actually come out of that medical school, they do nothing but harm. And out of good intent, because they don't know anything better. They're taught, listen to the symptom and prescribe a drug. Listen to the symptom, prescribe a drug, their meds will be the salespeople for the Pharma companies.
Dr. Anna Cabeca:
Usually, you're saying it nicer than I am. I always say I went to medical school, trained four years in residency and I feel like I came out a pimp for big Pharma. That transition, just learning how to then take our control back. I tell patients this, don't give anyone your power over your own body, you have tremendous power to heal your body and through these steps that we can make these changes. Just like what you said, the bad luck issue.
Dr. Anna Cabeca:
I know in my practice, which has really blown up in my face when I had a patient come in and they said, well, Dr. Anna, I need a hysterectomy and you know they run in my family. And I was like, "Oh no, hysterectomies do not run in your family." [inaudible 00:09:47] the desire to actually want our body to heal itself. Even our patients have been trained to think, well, that's not good, let's get rid of it. Especially as women, let's just get rid of the uterus, Let's just get rid of the bras, let's get rid of the ovaries. We have to stop thinking that because it is so empowering. Naveen, let's talk. You said every man has the potential to let's say space travel, to come up with ideas to be an entrepreneur. How do we instill that into our generation? Everyone who's listening, what can we do to have this transformative capability? What are those qualities?
Naveen Jain:
Well, first it is a belief system. You have to believe that you can achieve something. If you can imagine it, you can do it. We have been taught with this mindset of scarcity rather than this mindset of abundance. The mindset of scarcity teaches you that everything is finite. If you get something, someone else is not getting it, because it's finite. If we live in a world of abundance, that means is there is never a lack of resources, there is never a lack of anything. What we have is a lack of imagination. Even my mom who just absolutely loved me would tell me when I was young, "Son, you can do anything you want, the sky is the limit." Because she saw that sky as an unbreakable limit, little that she knew that sky doesn't exist, the sky is simply a figment of our imagination.
Naveen Jain:
When you go from earth to the moon, you don't say, "Hey mom, I think I just passed the sky." There's no sky, it doesn't exist and that to me, the limits don't exist. Limits exist because of our imagination and what we call reality shows that these limits exist. The first thing is you have to start believing that you alone can achieve anything you want and it's not about people tell you, "You have to have a passion." I see passion is for losers, obsession is for winners. Until you're so obsessed that you think about it, when you go to sleep and you wake up thinking about it, that's the obsession you have. If you're willing to die for something, live for it, find something that you're willing to give you last drop of blood to achieve it and that's what you going to achieve.
Dr. Anna Cabeca:
Oh my gosh, I love that. It just reminds me, I remember in one of my church services that our pastor was like, "You have to be obsessed about something when you are cheering it on." He's a big Georgia Bulldog fan. We all are here in the southeast. He's like, you think about your Georgia Bulldogs, you are obsessed with them. You're talking about them at every dinner conversation, you're bringing it up. That's how you want to feel about God. That's how we want to feel about our life goals, that's what we want to feel about what we have to look forward to. We should be talking about it and bring it. So that's why I like that. Passion is for losers, obsession is for winners. This area of confusion, we say that there are abundant potential, abundant possibilities, and no limits. And then how do we differentiate that from the over-consumption and pollution that we can see abundance being associated with?
Naveen Jain:
First of all, this idea of sustainability, itself is unsustainable because sustainability has really become a synonym for conservation and as we all know in life, you don't become rich by saving, you become rich by earning more. That means we can only create sustainability by creating more of what we need rather than the use of less of what we have. Let me explain that because that's not a concept easy to understand. Today, we believe there is a somehow finite land, there's a finite amount of water, there's a finite amount of food that we have and there is a finite amount of resources that we need. However, if you think about it, and I'm going to explain that in much more detail about how you go through a thought process. Now let's look the stuff and saying, "The earth is nothing but a pale blue dot in our own solar system. Our solar system is a tiny dot in our galaxy, our galaxy is a tiny dot in our universe and our universe is maybe a tiny dot in this multiverse." Where is that scarcity that we talk about?
Naveen Jain:
Somehow, we believe we can only live on the planet earth. What if we could live anywhere? What if we could live on the moon? We could live on Mars, we could live on the Pluto? People would somehow first thing they say is, "Are you that dumb to know that you can't live on the moon or the Mars?" And you ask them, why?" and at that time got really flustered. It is obvious, what is so obvious to tell me and instead of asking the question, can you live on Mars or not? Or can you live on the moon or not? The question we should be asking ourselves is, what technologies have to be developed for us to be able to live on the moon? Just that change. What has to happen for us to be able to live on the moon?
Naveen Jain:
I'm going to break it down for you because I think will change the way people think. Number one thing when people say, it's obvious, there's so much radiation, how the hell are you going to live because we don't want to live in this bubble. The answer is you'd probably die because if you don't want to live in a bubble ... But imagine nature has solved many of these problems already because we see the bacterial organisms growing in radioactive nuclear waste. That means nature has figured out how to protect its DNA from extremely high radiation and use the radiation as their source of energy. Now imagine if you can take genetic material from these bacteria, modify our own genes using CRISPR In Vivo, next thing you know, we are completely radiation-resistant. The CRISPR is not quite ready today and it's on the way to be getting there. But guess what? In the next three years or there's the five years that technology is going to be perfected, but there's no reason we could not become radiation-resistant, just like the bacterial organisms.
Naveen Jain:
Next question people say is, "Well, fine then how are we going to grow the food on the moon?" And I said, "That's a dumb question or that's a wrong question to ask." The question you need to be asking is, why do we eat food? Because once you start asking why do we need food? You'll say, "Oh, you are really dumb. I have to explain it to you in more detail. The reason we need food is that we need energy and we need nutrition." We need to have nutrients and we need to have energy and I said, "That's very fair. What if we can get energy like plants get from photosynthesis? Bacteria, get them from radiation. What if we can use the radiation as a source of energy?"
Naveen Jain:
Now the nutrients are really interesting. What kind of nutrients are we talking about? All you need hydrogen, you need oxygen, you need nitrogen. Now if we have water on the moon, don't you think we already have the hydrogen and oxygen? The nitrogen part is very interesting. Let's think about that for a second. If you want to live on the moon, the only problem we need to solve is how do we get enough nitrogen to the moon. That's to figure that out. Suddenly the problem of living on the moon is simply about taking nitrogen to the moon and it's completely, all that stuff still goes away. You did this complex problem, you start to break them down and you can essentially find what exactly needs to happen for this problem to be solved. Does it make sense?
Dr. Anna Cabeca:
It makes sense. I'm looking at it from that as asking the right questions, right? Asking the questions with the possibility of an answer in mind versus not a possibility.
Naveen Jain:
Yeah. And again, one more thing I would just want to get to and I think then we can switch over to the subject. The second of this whole puzzle really is are we solving the symptom of the problem? Or are we solving the root cause of the problem, and I know we're going to get down to it when you talk about human health, but this applies to almost everything. For example, most people believe that there is a shortage of fresh water on planet earth. And if we can somehow provide clean fresh water to people that will help a billion people live a good life.
Naveen Jain:
They start to focus on trying to figure out how to get more freshwater. That's a symptom because until you realize that majority of the freshwater is actually used for agriculture, and you say, "What if I can solve the agriculture problem by using aquaponic, aeroponic or hydroponic farms, or even use the lightly salted seawater for doing this agriculture. Then we can have plenty of fresh water for people because that's where the freshwater is going. And you feel really good that you got to the root cause. Until you realize that the majority of agriculture is actually used to feed the cattle. Now, what if you don't need to have cattle, but you can still have your meat if you want. If you really want to eat beef, all you're doing is eating the muscle tissues.
Naveen Jain:
What if you can take a stem cell from a cow and simply create muscle tissue, just like nature does, take a single cell, divide them into muscle tissue. You don't need to go eyes and ears. You don't need the many bits. What if now you can go simply the muscle tissue that you want to eat and suddenly the freshwater problem that was a symptom really was done to a synthetic biology problem of creating muscle tissues. And that is the key to essentially understanding what is the symptom and what's the root cause.
Dr. Anna Cabeca:
In medicine, I always talk about getting to the root cause of the issue, actually the underlying cause. We can make the smallest changes. That's what I write about in my book, the hormone fix. If we can make the smallest changes to get the biggest results, I'm all in. We want to do that kind of lazy on my side, but it makes a difference in a whole, in the big picture. But let's go back, cause I want to just define those terms like aquaponics, hydroponics, talk about that creating clean water.
Naveen Jain:
This is totally tangent in terms of ... Aquaponic is really using the drops of water in a vertical farming where you don't really need to feed all the stuff in the soil and you can literally grow these things using the drops of water in the moisture in the air and similarly the aeroponic you can literally use the air, the moist air grows these foods. But fundamentally what I was going to actually focus next on was these things that you are doing. The interest like you are the one who is going to fundamentally change the way we're going to live our life. It is people like you who are actually to some extent are facing all the hurdles because this medical complex is against you and you still go out and put your neck on the line, day in, day out like an angel because you care about those people not having to be a subscriber to these pharma drugs.
Naveen Jain:
You trying to get to the underlying root cause because we all know the same symptom that we see in our body, individually each one of us may have a very different root cause and if we don't fix that all, it is a real ruck and maul. You get a symptom, you start to suppress it here and it pops up in three places and you pop them there and you suddenly pop up nine more places. That's actually what happens.
Naveen Jain:
Look at autoimmune diseases, there's not a doctor you go to, they say, "Oh, you have autoimmune diseases. You know what? I'm going to give you these biologics that you have to take for the rest of your life. And what I'm going to do is I'm going to suppress your immune system." "Excuse me for a second. If you're going to suppress my immune system, don't you think I'm going to get a whole bunch of other diseases?" "Oh yeah, but don't you worry, we got drugs for them." "But Doc, what happens when I do those drugs?" "Well, you're going to have a whole bunch of other symptoms, but don't you worry, we got drugs for them." By the time you get to our age, we are popping more pills than blueberries and there's a problem right there. On the mentally, his whole idea is never to look at what is causing the things and here's why. It's not that they're bad people, they just have a bad business model and here's why.
Dr. Anna Cabeca:
It's actually a successful business model. Sadly that's the sad part, shouldn't be that way.
Naveen Jain:
You're right it is a great business model for them. It is just a bad business model for us, the humans, people who are suffering.
Dr. Anna Cabeca:
So true.
Naveen Jain:
You shouldn't. That's a bad business model because they look at us as a lifetime subscriber. They probably have a button, I'm young and I got a type two diabetes [inaudible 00:22:44] lifetime subscribers. Every one of them, they probably are looking at stuff and saying how many subscribers do you have? Excuse me, those people are suffering.
Naveen Jain:
This is the part that is the saddest part, my dad just passed about two months ago and I saw him die for no reason. He had a pancreatic cancer, and I can show you all the research that clearly shows that how in pancreatic cancer, the microbiome from our gut moves down to pancreas and actually modulates the immune system down so that the immune system is no longer attacking the bacteria and it allows cancer to grow because they're trying to protect themselves. In turn, they're allowing cancer to grow because now they have shut down the immune system and I clearly research. I go to the doctor and said, "Doc, all I want you to do is inject the antimicrobial stuff directly into pancreas because I know that will work." They said, "That is not a protocol, we will not do that." "Doc it's my dad, I want you to do that. I'm going to show you the research." "That is not a protocol. We will not do that." And I saw him die and I'm thinking, really it is the saddest thing to see that you can't do anything.
Naveen Jain:
If I had started two years earlier, I would have been able to solve this problem simply with diet and exercise and fix his guts. This would've never happened. Or this could have been reversed easily. I told him, "Dad, I can't save you, but all I can do is work twice as hard to make sure no one else has to suffer." Nobody else has to watch their loved ones suffer and die. That's why I'm sure you are dedicating your life to doing these things. That's not easy, we make no money. We sell our service at our cost. We are absolutely driven by our mission, our mission is really simple, we want to create a world for ourselves, our children and our grandchildren, where chronic disease is simply a matter of choice, is not bad luck. I hope we can someday we'll be living in that world in our lifetime, where we will see being sick is optional. If being healthy is optional, being sick is optional.
Dr. Anna Cabeca:
I love that. Chronic diseases are a matter of choice. Everyone [inaudible 00:25:09], you know that we can reverse it. There's so much information out there and the work that Naveen's doing and bringing to light. Biome, talk about that because we haven't talked about Biome as a company and any background on that. I have you used uBiome, but I haven't used Biome and I know there's some cross interest there. But I wanted also, first to say I'm sorry about your father-
Naveen Jain:
Thank you.
Dr. Anna Cabeca:
And it's so frustrating when you feel like, oh my gosh, I wish I could have helped. And I know I always say that if I knew 20 years ago what I know now. I like how ... I just also want to thank you for calling me an angel. I think there's a fine line between angel and martyr, but I'll take the angel. Angel on the chopping block.
Naveen Jain:
Honestly, people like you give me hope because you don't feel alone in this fight. You know, there are other people with the same kind soul who want to help people not have to suffer. The thing that has fundamentally changed in the last 10 years and is that our understanding of who we are as humans, we are no longer defined by our genes, not our destiny. In fact, if you look at us as humans only our human genes that we get from our mom and dad. They only express, give or take about 22,000 genes. That is, by the way, just to be clear, that is less than the earthworm. The earthworm has more genes than humans do. Then we are so complex. So what is it that happened? What happened is we were created as an ecosystem with 40 trillion microbes living in our gut and they produce somewhere between 2 million to 20 million genes.
Naveen Jain:
If you look at us, we are less than 1% human. We are super organisms in the symbiotic relationship with these 40 trillion organisms. Most people that have no concept of what is 40 trillion number is, let me just explain that in simple words. We are eight or nine billion people living on the planet earth. If there were 5,000 earth's and all the human beings combined in all these 5,000 earth's are living inside each one of us. Think about that for a second. All those organisms are what makes us human. Anytime you take antibiotics, you're throwing a nuclear bomb down there. You get the bad guy, but you wipe out the whole community every time you're eating a food that you don't know is actually good for your microbial ecosystem, you're actually disturbing the ecosystem and causing yourself harm.
Naveen Jain:
The problem has been that in this whole area, the reason the science hasn't quite helped as much is people were looking at the wrong places and that to me was very critical in the way I came about this idea of Biome. I'm going to step back, I spent probably six months reading 1,000 to 5,000 research papers, and as I kept reading about every single research paper on chronic disease. It became little clear that it doesn't matter what this chronic disease, the name we give it. The fundamental problem, all of these chronic diseases are caused by low-grade chronic inflammation, and the low-grade chronic inflammation is caused by the imbalance of the gut microbiome. All these people were saying that how the microbiome is responsible for obesity, for diabetes, for depression, for anxiety, for PTSD, for Parkinson's, for Alzheimer's and breast cancer and liver cancer and pancreatic cancer and heart disease, autoimmune diseases.
Naveen Jain:
Then I kept thinking, wait a second, everyone knows the microbiome is responsible then why is the problem not getting solved? That's when I realized that people are looking for the wrong things. They're looking for what organisms exist in our gut. That was the wrong problem. That's asking the wrong question. What they needed to be figuring out is what are these organisms doing? Remember we talked about asking the right question?
Dr. Anna Cabeca:
Mm-hmm (affirmative)
Naveen Jain:
It turns out when you're looking for organisms, you're talking about companies like uBiome. They really are using, ancient technological 16S. What happens is these companies came out and they literally were [inaudible 00:29:32]. They are selling you things that have no value. So 16S, which is what they use only can detect only the bacteria, they cannot detect viruses, they cannot detect yeast or fungus or mold and the bacteria also, they can only detect them at a genus level. At the genus level, we all have exactly the same genesis. Now, here's how they come up with a conclusion.
Naveen Jain:
When someone says, "Hey, what is the genus level you're talking about? You are from India, can you describe to me at a genus level what India looks like?" I said, "Oh yeah, sure. There's some man in India, there's some women in India, there are some young people, and there are some old people, they're just like America." The answer is yes. Then the smart ones, we'll say, "But I know there is a lot more crime in India than America, and there a lot more men. All men must be criminal. No that's not true. But that's exactly what we do. [inaudible 00:30:25] is too high. That's it, no wonder you have diabetes. But [inaudible 00:30:30] it is too high, no wonder you got obesity.No.
Naveen Jain:
What happened was all these guys were focused on organisms and what we learned was that when you look at the people who have quite healthy or people who have this particular disease, when you look at them at the organism's level, it turns out, especially when you're looking at them at a strain level, there's less than 4% similarity, as little as 4% similarity between people who are sick or people who are healthier. But when you look at them at a functional level, that is what they are producing there's as much as 80 to 90 percent same. Exactly the same. That means they functionally perform the same thing. And what [inaudible 00:31:13] comes down to is thousands of different organisms can perform the same function and the same organisms can perform multiple different functions depending on the ecosystem it's in, and depending on the food it's getting. The thing that we feed and what ecosystem is around changes as behavior.
Naveen Jain:
There was amazing research that completely changed my mind about how the ecosystem works. These scientists took three organisms that essentially use exactly the same input, the same food, they metabolize the same food, but they produce and synthesize totally different thing. And then you put them all in a separate Petri dish, everybody was happy. Now they put these organisms in the same Petri dish, some amazing things happen, as opposed to competing for the same resource, they actually changed their behavior to become symbioid and they became dependent on each other. They were now starting to use one person's output as for food for themselves, they put three of them together, all three of them now became symbiote because rather than compete and die, they started to use each other's output. That's the only change and that's actually what happens in our gut is that these things are not individual. They are ecosystem and what we have to see is what are they producing?
Naveen Jain:
I'm not the smartest person here. I have no background in medicine or science. Once I understood what really matters is what they are doing, I went around looking for to find out why is it no one has done this and I found an amazing technology that was actually sitting inside Los Alamos National Lab where they were working on a bio-defense project and they were trying to find out if a bad act or whatever to get rid of something biological, how would we ever know what just made us sick? Maybe we'll know what's making us sick if we can find out what these organisms are actually producing. I thought, "Oh my God, if I knew what's making people sick, why can't we make them healthy?
Dr. Anna Cabeca:
Exactly.
Naveen Jain:
We took that technology and created Biome and what we do now is actually able to look inside your gut and tell you how much of butyrate you're producing, how much of LPS, which is a very, very toxin, which causes massive inflammation. Lipopolysaccharide, how much of ammonia you are producing, how much is sulfide you are producing. By that, we can see the reason you producing all of this ammonia and sulfide is because this food that you're eating. We can now say, "Hey, don't eat this food." What we do, we analyze your gut and then we give you a very actionable thing. Here are the foods you should avoid and why. Not just the avoid this food. Here's why you should have avoided these foods. Here are your superfoods and why and here are your other foods that you can enjoy in these quantities.
Naveen Jain:
For example, for me, it's very interesting. It says don't eat apple, and it says the reason you should eat apple, even though we all know, apple a day keeps doctor away, apple a day for me actually is harmful because I have Apple Chlorotic Leaf Virus in my gut and that virus, if I'm eating apple is constantly being fed and it's constantly causing inflammation. I need to cut down the apple. Second thing is, don't eat the banana, but I don't know why. Well, the chicken is in a banana is actually being synthesized into the harmful POCs and is causing inflammation in my gut. And the [inaudible 00:34:46] wasn't really interested in the spinach. Although Popeye told us the spinach makes us all strong. The spinach is bad because spinach contains a lot of oxalic acid oxalate and organisms in my gut are not able to detoxify it. That ends up either as a kidney stone or high inflammation.
Dr. Anna Cabeca:
Mm-hmm (affirmative)
Naveen Jain:
My point was very clear we say don't eat this food and here is the reason why, and here are the foods that are good for you and why. And that's literally what we do. That means our goal is simply not just to tell you what's happening in your gut, but give you the control back to you so it's actionable. As you were saying that the only way we can solve this problem is to become the CEO of our own health. We take the control back of our own body, our own health, and realize that we have the power and our job is simply to be able to understand what is going on and take action. That's why we never said being sick ... we can eliminate chronic diseases. We didn't say that, we said we can make chronic diseases optional. The reason we see it optional is because we knew the power is going to be in your hand not in our head.
Dr. Anna Cabeca:
I think that's so important. It's like you are responsible ultimately for your health. What happened, what symptoms were you experiencing with the apple, banana, and spinach that when you remove them, they do feel any different?
Naveen Jain:
First of all, I lost seven pounds I said, I still got five more to go so I'm not complaining. The second part of it, you used to just feel tired, you just feel a little, lethargic. You feel that I'm just going to have enough energy for the whole day and that was the two things I was personally feeling, gaining weight and partly just not having enough energy. An interesting thing happens. My wife actually was very interesting. She said, "Look, I'm healthy. I work out every day. I don't need to do this test. Why do I need to do this test?" And I say, " you're not even a doctor. Why do I believe you? Everybody look at all the results of these 50,000 people that have taken the test and look at all these people that are actually being benefited. Our customers are telling us they have had acne for 10 years and has never been cured and boom is gone now.
Naveen Jain:
People are telling us they had childhood Hashimoto's disease and now they're reducing their biologics. People are telling us all these different symptoms they have, whether it's diabetes or losing weight. Again, I just want to be very clear. We are not MBS 35 we're not making any claims. I was just simply saying that things that end up don't leave here, you're hearing from people. I convinced my wife, I said, "All you have to do is try it for two weeks, what have you got to lose? She gave in one day and said, "I'm going to try for two weeks. The things she needed to give up was almonds and dairy. She did it for two weeks, she says, "Actually, look it's an amazing thing." And I said, "What happened?" She said, "Every afternoon I just used to feel tired and I just thought I needed to take a 15 to 20-minute nap, and I just thought that it was regular for my age and that was okay. Now I just don't feel tired." And then she said, "All the baby fat that I was trying to work out for is all gone." And I said, "What baby fat? I never saw any baby fat."
Dr. Anna Cabeca:
The answer, good response good husband.
Naveen Jain:
There's no good answer to that one. It's like, Oh yeah, I noticed that.
Dr. Anna Cabeca:
Good, smart about just right now we know you're a genius.
Naveen Jain:
I've been married for 30 years so that's fine.
Dr. Anna Cabeca:
That's awesome.
Naveen Jain:
You were asking something, go ahead.
Dr. Anna Cabeca:
No, I think that's perfect. Just tell our audience how we can do this Biome testing and we'll certainly put a link to it below. But so is that available? That's available for us or the general market on mail and individuals to get without a doctor's-
Naveen Jain:
That's correct. You can go online, you can take control of your own health. No doctor is needed. And you can go to biome.com/ and I think I can give you a code and that, you can put on the bottom of the screen. That'll give you a hundred dollars off because you know that is not something I want everyone who's listening to it, I want them to benefit from it, right? We can create somebody ... I think if you go to biome.com/friendofNaveen, you will get $100 off.
Dr. Anna Cabeca:
Friend of Neveen. Okay, perfect.
Naveen Jain:
it's going to be $100 off. It will be only 299 so think about that. This technological[crosstalk 00:39:25]
Dr. Anna Cabeca:
That is huge information that serves [crosstalk 00:39:27]
Naveen Jain:
By the way, this used to cost $5,000 when we launched the company, we sold it for $4,000 but we were working very hard to reduce the cost. We brought it down to $400 now we trying to get it down to $300 and my hope honestly is that within the next few months we'll be able to bring it down to $200 and by the end of the year, my hope really is to bring it down to under a hundred dollars. We make absolutely, not a penny on it. We literally want to get enough people to use it. Together we get enough information about what makes people sick and so that we can get out of this disease and help a billion people live healthier lives.
Dr. Anna Cabeca:
I love it. Well, thank you. All right, Biome biome.com/friendofNaveen and that'll get us the test for 299 I'll also email my list about it. We'll get a code too, I appreciate that. Now I want to aim in close like, we're raising a new generation. I have two daughters in college, one who's 30, one who's 11 just as the other day celebrating her birthday party today, so excited. We know imagination has more value than education. What's the best way we can guide our youth, the next generation of entrepreneurs? Certainly, we're going to do this for ourselves because there's no retirement. I would say there's no retirement in the Bible. We are going to do this for ourselves. We are making an impact on the rest of our lives. But how do we now help this generation?
Naveen Jain:
I think Ann, that's a wonderful question because that's something we always thought was the most important thing because, with the grace of God, we have been blessed in every which way coming to this country with nothing. God has blessed us with everything. After the grace of God, we've got three wonderful children and they had done amazingly well. Our oldest is now focused on finding ways to entrepreneurial way to solve the affordability problem. How do we get the middle class to have affordable housing, affordable childcare, affordable senior care? Our daughter who graduated from Stanford is focused on gender bias. She's, she's working with AI Company to remove the gender bias so that more women can get hired. Our youngest one just graduating from Stanford and he's also now focused on ... He became a Schwarzman scholar. He wants to use entrepreneurship to help hundreds of millions of people live a better life.
Naveen Jain:
What is it that we did? We told them the success will never be defined by how much money you have. Success will be defined by how many lives you've been able to improve. Then I told them that yourself worth never comes from what you own, your self worth comes from what you create. If you haven't created anything for society, then you're still a parasite on humanity. Don't be that parasite. One other thing we did as a parent, we separated the two things that most parents actually have a very difficult time. We told them, "Our love for you is unconditional. You never have to wonder if we love you, but our approval is not. You have to constantly worry. Is there something my dad would want? Is there something my mom would want? And our approval is conditional, but our love is unconditional."
Dr. Anna Cabeca:
I like that. I'm writing all this down. I'm going to use this. They are now mine Naveen.
Naveen Jain:
Seriously-
Dr. Anna Cabeca:
There is a family legacy discussion coming up.
Naveen Jain:
But just the same thing when Jesus Christ that, "We will always love you, but we still want you to follow these commandments because that's what we approve of." But doesn't mean even if you break them, we don't love you, I'll always love you.
Dr. Anna Cabeca:
All right. I love that. I think just being able to instill that, it starts with us. That those values are obviously very evident in you and I'm sure your wife, so you've led them with these really high integral values that just flows into them. That's really important. Something I talk about so much with women, self-care starts here with us, with our individuals and we worry about our children. But if we're not doing what we want them to do, you know, we can't expect them to do it. So make our life easier by doing it first.
Naveen Jain:
One more thing, I was going to just suggest, when especially women have such a difficult time because they are so giving. They're constantly giving. To me, the day you fall in love with yourself is the day the world will fall in love with you. If you don't love yourself, no one can love you. If you hate yourself, you will hate the world and the world will hate you. Fall in love with yourself, take good care of yourself because that love for yourself is going to go out and make everyone else. You can now share that love with the world.
Dr. Anna Cabeca:
I love that. I think this is a perfect place to end this as we end with a note of Oxytocin, the light that loves putting that love back into the world. Fall in love with yourself. What did you say? The day you fall in love with yourself is the day the world falls in love with you, and then that pouring into yourself pours out into the world in that way that we're just making love flow and I think that's beautiful. Naveen, thank you much for your time with me today and with all our listeners and for our listeners, be sure to like this, star this episode and review on iTunes, podcast, attic, stitcher, wherever you're listening and Naveen how can people follow up with you? I know I definitely encourage this book, Moonshot. I think it's amazing. It's a great book.
Naveen Jain:
If you ever want to reach out to me, reach out to me, my first name dot last name, naveen.jain@gmail.com and I read all my emails, I'll be thrilled to be part of your life, part of your communities. If you're listening to it, if there's anything I can do to make your life easy, just reach out to me. You can follow me on Linkedin, you can follow me on Facebook or Twitter. I'm always available to you. I'm at your service.
Dr. Anna Cabeca:
Awesome. Thank you so much. Thank you, everyone.
Naveen Jain:
Thank you Anna. Bye Bye.
